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Subordination of Women?

March 31, 2009 · 1 Comment

As some friends who differ with me on the role of women in church leadership have engaged me on the topic, I am struck by their basic premise; that the permanent subordination of women is God’s ideal. I am indebted to Kevin Giles and the late David Scholer for much of my thought formation on this subject and they have certainly said it better that I ever well and some of their ideas and writing are excerpted below.

My friends tend to judge fellow evangelicals who disagree with them on this matter to be “theological liberals,” or at least implicit liberals. It seems that they cannot differentiate between the interpretation of Scripture and Scripture itself. For them, if I debate their interpretation of the key texts on which they base their case for the permanent subordination of women, then I am by definition rejecting the authority of Scripture.

As Giles says, “What this means is that the methodological challenge to interpret Scripture rightly in its given historical and cultural context and to apply what is said rightly in another historical and cultural context is solved by assuming and asserting that “my interpretation” tells you exactly what the Bible says. When (one) claims that one’s interpretation of God’s word is God’s word without any caveats, then, by implication, one is claiming to speak for God. (One) is asserting that what (one) says the Bible says is what God says, and, thus, if you disagree with him, you are disagreeing with God.”

The Roman Catholic Church has neatly solved the challenge of interpretation the same way. At the end of the day, it is the Pope who tells the faithful what the Bible is saying on any matter. In both the Protestant and the Catholic versions of this system, the inerrancy is not in the Scriptures, but in the interpretation given by someone claiming to speak for God.

As long as those who prefer the permanent subordination of women use this argument, there is really no way to find common ground on the question of the status and ministry of women. In order to have a beginning dialogue, we must agree that the issue is not the authority of Scripture, but how Scripture is to be interpreted and applied.

I don’t reject the authority of Scripture; but I do reject an interpretation of the Scriptures that supports and promulgates the concept that God’s unchanging ideal is the subordination of women.

I continue to hear two different ways of interpreting Scripture to prove the subordination of women. There has been a consistent historical interpretation of the biblical texts on women. For at least seventeen or eighteen centuries, most theologians and teacher said that the Bible taught that men were “superior,” women are “inferior,” and women were more prone to sin and error than men. For these reasons, women were the “weaker” and subordinated sex. In this historic position, men and women were differentiated not simply by their roles, but because God made them men and women. Women were seen as being second in rank or status because Eve was created second. That is, women are subordinated on the basis of the timeline of creation, not on the basis of a supposedly Creator-given, pre-fall hierarchical social order in which woman were subordinate to men.

To their credit, most contemporary evangelical hierarchists, as well as all evangelical egalitarians, reject this historic interpretation that women are ontologically inferior to men, even though it held sway for the better part of eighteen centuries and was adopted by some of the greatest theologians of the past.

Now as Giles points out, there is the novel post-1970s interpretation of a selected number of biblical texts on women that is now adopted almost word for word by all contemporary evangelical hierarchists and rejected by all egalitarians. This view point generally says men and women are equal, but role-differentiated, which, when simply said, means that women are permanently subordinated to male authority. Typically the hierarchists argue that women’s subordination is not a consequence of sin or a reflection of cultural values, but, rather, is predicated on a hierarchical social order established before the Genesis fall. They state (with solemn and grave faces, no less) that this is the ideal that is pleasing to God and, therefore, is unchangeable. Why this humanly devised theological construct should be judged the only true interpretation of Scripture is truly puzzling.

The Bible never suggests that men and women are role-differentiated, and actually says much to the contrary. Instead, we are differentiated in our very being as man and woman by God’s creative act as described in the first chapter of Genesis. Giles points out that the term “role” refers to the part a person plays. It belongs to the world of the theater and the study of humanistic sociology, not the Bible. At creation, man and woman were both bearers of the image of God and both were given authority to rule God’s world. The idea that there is a once-given, unchanging, unchangeable hierarchical social order established before the fall that permanently sets men over women is simply a figment of (largely) male imagination. It speaks more of the male will to hold power than of anything found in the Bible. The Bible makes the subordination of women a consequence of the fall (Gen. 3:16).

The gender equality of the two differentiated sexes, and marriage between them, are definitely Creator-given, but social ordering is not. Social ordering is always a human construct that human beings can change. History proves this point. “Created second” only speaks of chronological order, not social order or hierarchy. In addition, the whole Bible is predicated on a forward-looking eschatology where the “new creation” Christ inaugurates introduces something altogether new (2 Cor. 5:17). The perfection of creation lies in the future, when the new creation will be brought to its consummation on the last day. In the Garden of Eden, the Devil was present and sin possible. This will not be the case when the new creation is fully realized. Evangelical hierarchists may think they have the very highest view of Scripture, but, by making their theory the channel through which the Bible’s teaching on women is to be interpreted, they dishonor Scripture by not allowing Scripture to speak in its own terms.

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Inc.

January 17, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Got the paperwork back from the sos.ca.gov so ERCC is officiallya legal person.  Irs.gov.us granted us a FEIN so wamu.com was willing to let us deposit our money.  Working through the 501(c)(3) paperwork for that official “non-profit” designation as well.

We are negotiating with a couple of local meeting halls for space so we can begin more public services as  we are definitely out growing the house.

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Incorporation

December 17, 2008 · Leave a Comment

Well, the church incorporation paperwork is off to the California Secretary of State for Every Road Church. We have had interesting conversations with the Evangelical Covenant Church planting management; and while we both wish to associate with each other and they are OK with us using “Covenant” in our name for common useage, we are not using it in a legal sense because we have not met all the criteria they require as far our organization goes – and we have not yet begun to meet as much more than a bible study (but we have been doing that for about a year)and we are ready to get out into the public. So for now, we will continue to operate as if we are a Covenant church without the formal designation or recognition.

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Moving with trepidation!

December 8, 2008 · Leave a Comment

Well, we are working towards a launch of our first public services in February or March of 2009! What an exciting, faith-testing and unnerving time.

We don’t have a place to meet (but we are working on it,) we don’t have an amazing worship team (but we are working on it,) we don’t have an entertaining, yet wonderfully meaningful and instructional childrens program (but we are working on it!)

What we do have is small knot of dedicated believing people who have been called by God to start a new and radically different ministry in the Santa Clarita Valley.

We are excited and thrilled and a little scared. Pray for us and His work here in the SCV.

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Dreaming of the launch

September 9, 2008 · 2 Comments

Well, we continue to talk and invite and work towards a sustainable launch team who will help us launch Every Road Covenant Church (ERCC) in the Santa Clarita  Valley.  Our goal for the fall and winter are to add at least an additional 20 dedicated people who are willing to work on the church plant with a view towards starting once a month actual preview services in the first quarter of 2009.

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Midwinter

January 27, 2008 · Leave a Comment

The Rev left today for the Evangelical Covenant Midwinter Conference.   Since it is about 300 degrees below zero in Chicago, I felt led by the Lord to stay at work in Southern California – so it was with a “heavy” heart that I dropped her off at LAX this morning for her flight to Chi-Town. 

This should be interesting for her as she rubs shoulders with the leaders and pastors from this new denomination we have joined.  There will also be several church planting meetings, several breakout sessions on things like church finance and the unique challenges of men and women leading together in the church environment, etc.   

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The Message & Mission of Jesus

January 9, 2008 · Leave a Comment

The Message: The Good News That Jesus Came To Speak.

He came:

- To forgive our sins and reconcile us with God.

- To destroy the power of Satan and deliver people from bondage,

- To change hearts of stone to hearts of flesh.

- To treat people with compassion, mercy and justice, as God’s beloved creation.

- To love and invite followers to become The New People of God.

The Mission: The Good News That Jesus Came to Act Out.

He came:

- To be the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world.

- To personally fight the deciding battle with Satan and triumph through the grave.

- To be physically authenticated as the Son of God through the power and shock of His  ressurection.

- To challenge the earthly principalities and powers through His ascension.

- To establish His Church as the New People of God on the Day of Pentecost.

(Source: Dave Olson, Evangelical Covenant Church, Director of Church Planting)

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Not Again!!!!

January 8, 2008 · Leave a Comment

We will be meeting with our launch team on Thursday to nail down our Mission Statement and the Core Values that support that statement.  You have heard me ranting about not simply coming up with something that sound “nice,” posting it on the wall and moving on never to think about it again. 

(Oh no!  He going to blog and blow about this again!)

I am sure I may also take some heat for returning to business writings for clarification on how to do this in a meaningful way, but that is my frame of reference and where I do a fair amount of my reading, and additionally business leaders and writers have probably thought about this more than many in the “church” world have. 

In this week’s Business Week magazine (Jan 14, 2008) Smackin’ Attackin’ Jack & Suzy Welch’s  “State Your Business” column on the final page of the zine answer a question addressing this very issue.  Following are excerpts in bold type from the column. My comments are in parentheses.

Gerald McLaughlin from Shanghai writes, “Like most startups, we launched with a big mission that was going to change the game. Now, several years out, it appears our mission isn’t going to deliver to the extent we had hoped. How do we come up with another?   (My hope is that we do this well and don’t need to “come up with another, so listen up!)

(Jack & Suzy respond,) “What an honest and admirable question. First, because so few leaders have the candor to admit: “Our approach to the market seems to be tanking. We need to change direction.” And second, because few leaders actually get the point of forging a mission with real grit and meaning. Even fewer work with their people to come up with a short list of values that will make their mission come alive. We just don’t get it! Sure, as your case seems to suggest, having a mission doesn’t guarantee winning. But not having one invariably spurs the opposite.  (I love the idea of winning, especially when you put it in the context of winning hearts and minds for Jesus Christ.)

Sound obvious? We would have thought so, too, except that for each of the past three years, we’ve conducted a two-day seminar with about 100 CEOs. The first year we thought we would breeze through mission and values in about a half-hour before moving on to matters more pertinent to top executives. To our shock, more than 60% of the CEOs in the room did not have a company mission, and 80% had no explicit set of company values describing how employees should behave in order to achieve the mission. The second and third years were basically no different except that we were prepared for several hours of discussion on these two messy topics.

Messy because the terms mission and values, hijacked by business school professors and consultants, have largely devolved into fatheaded jargon. Almost no one can figure out what they mean. And so, like the CEOs we’ve worked with, they sort of ignore them or gussy up a vague package deal along the lines of: “Our mission is to be the best fill-in-the-blank company in our industry” and “Our values are excellence, integrity, and customer service.”

In other words, ‘Business as usual.’

To answer your question, then, here’s how we’d suggest you create a new mission for your company, and just as important, a new set of values. Basically, the mission starts with you, the leader, since you’ll be held accountable for it. Yes, listen to everyone with something smart to say about your market and product— especially contrarians and customers. Gather and grok data galore. But then make a choice about how your company will win. Don’t mince words! Remember Nike’s old mission, “Crush Reebok”? That’s directionally correct. And Google’s mission statement isn’t something namby-pamby like “To be the world’s best search engine.” It’s “To organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.” That’s simultaneously inspirational, achievable, and completely graspable.

With your mission set, more of your team must get involved in establishing values. After all, you are trying to describe the best behaviors of your best employees on their best days with enough clarity to make those behaviors easy to emulate, measure, and reward. Consider some of the best values we’ve heard: Never lose a superstar. Communicate bad news quickly. Take personal ownership of results, not process. Unlike the usual drivel, those mean something. They compel action. And that’s what you want, both with your mission and your values—especially as you change course. Good luck setting sail again.

(We must not “mince words” as we describe the mission that we believe God has given us in this church plant.  We want to reach out with the winning message of Jesus Christ of his uncompromising love for those on every road of life.  No churchy “business as usual.”  No “fatheaded” religious “jargon.”  Our Core Values must describe how we will behave to carry out our Mission.)

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Working on Sticky Ideas

January 2, 2008 · Leave a Comment

It will be interesting to see what we ultimately settle on as the passions, values and ideas that drive us to plant a new church.  Here are some of the writings and thoughts from our launch team at this time.  I have edited them down from several sets of notes and emails.  I trust I caught the spirit and essence of each. 

One concept was expressed in these four core values.

Our church is driven by these values and their progression:

Express Love:   Christ’s love is what sets His church apart from any other movement or religion in the world.   We are required to love everyone at all times.  I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.’ John 13:34-35 “…You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”  Matthew 22:37-39

Extend Mercy:  Christ’s words and example consistently showed that love had to be demonstrated by actions of mercy.  ‘…Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means, “I desire mercy, not sacrifice.” For I have come to call not the righteous but sinners.’ Matthew 9: 12-13 

Expect Growth:  As we come to experience the expression of Christ’s love and mercy as demonstrated by his Church, we are then expected to grow, mature and multiply as we walk these healing paths.  Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 2and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.’ Matthew 28:19-20 ‘Do not be conformed to this world,* but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect.”  Romans 12:2* *           

Effect Change:  Finally in addition to basking in Christ’s love and mercy, and growing in our spiritual walk we must actually do something with what we have been given, and so in effecting change in our world we allow the cycle to start again for those to whom we serve. “…For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.”  Matthew 25: 35-36

Another view point includes these concepts: 

Orientation->Disorientation->Reorientation: – in general, psalmists are dealing with situations from Orientation (seeking God’s will and direction in life) to Disorientation (through trials/sufferings/sins) to, by the end, Reorientation (through acknowledging the presence of God). That leads to the acknowledgement of peace not as the absence of suffering; but as the presence of God. 

The Restoration of Human Dignity: – Luke 15 – the return of prodigal son. This passage depicts a son’s return to community and is restored fully. The Fall leads the human beings to become ‘less’. The restoration covers more than just the physical need, but emotional and spiritual. Human dignity is crucial and far more important than JUST providing physical needs. 

The Shift of Focal Point: – shifting from changeable and unstable leadership of human beings to the unchangeable and stable leadership of God brings out the true humanity. Human beings are created in the image of God and can only be truly and fully ‘reflected’ through the leadership of Jesus.

Humanize the Spirituality: – in general, church is considered to be a place to spiritualize people’s humanity. To humanize our spirituality, we acknowledge human beings are created in the image of God (our dignity), human beings are created in BOTH male and female (our gender), and human beings are created in community (not good for human be alone.)

Thirdly, these ideas have also been circulating amongst us: 

1. The Concept of “We:” The emphasis of a “we-ness” is based on integration and not assimilation.  It is dynamic, respectful, and at time fluid to allow creativity and growth. As applied to the church, it incorporated the Love and Mercy aspects we all treasure.  If we are to love unconditionally and to show mercy to those who need it the most, we must see them as one of us, he or she is part of the “We.”  Whether it is as simple as we are all humankind; we are all sinners; God loves us all; Jesus died for all.  Or as complex as the idea of we want to be “intentional” people, so therefore we will be open and willing to include others as “We.”  The “We” must exist for the love and mercy to be genuine.  Outreach is a process of inclusion and hopefully not a way to point out the exceptions.   

 2.  Reconciliation & Restoration:  As we as a church acknowledge our openness to meet people where they are at and God’s intentional love to the world, the hope is that the message of reconciliation and restoration is extended.  The primary subject of reconciliation is God.  Yet many churches miss the part of the restoration of the self and the reconciliation to others.  One in our team used the story of the prodigal son in making his point of restoration of personhood, the dignity of being human that was given to us as our birthright by God.  We are after all, the subjects of God’s love.  As the father extends his love to his prodigal son, he was intentional, inclusive and forgiving.  As we all know, reconciliation does not come easy; it is not often done without practice.  We hope that as a church we will be able to provide that safe place for people to practice.   

3. Live the Unlived Life:  We love the meaning of transformation.  Even though the word itself has been so overuse that at times it is meaningless, we have not, at this point, come up with a better alternative.  This a slightly different take on the previously discussed Orientation-Disorientation-Reorientation concept but was described as encouraging, challenging or even awakening people to live their unlived life.  This is where we want the church to emphasis the core value of embracing men and women equally, the values of team building and allowing God to transform us according to His original intent. 

4. Celebrate the Message and Mission of Jesus: We often cycle back to this concept with a sense of excitement.  As much as the four points previous points work together and integrate into some form of spinal upward movement at any given point of the life of a church, this is where we hope our community life will be  based.

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Sticky Ideas

January 2, 2008 · Leave a Comment

We have been working on thinking through and shaping our core values.  As I have written before, so many organizations with which I have been involved have worked on long and hard on defining the mission, purpose and values of the organization only to hang it in the hall or post it to the website and promptly forget about them.  Whatever you call these statements, they must be truly those principles which you constantly use to guide and define the path of the organization.  Obviously, (I hope) in a church setting these should have a foundation in scriptural truth.  But even the most “spiritual” mission means nothing if it does not truly grab you and constantly remind you of why the church was started in the first place.

One of the reasons that many well intentioned efforts get sidelined or forgotten is that they are just too complex and lack any “stickiness.”   The concept of stickiness has been popularized by many writers but I like this recent digest, written by Baldwin Cheng, a co-worker of my son at Publicis & Hal Riney.  It is an abstract of an article from the November 2007 McKinsey Quarterly called “Crafting a message that sticks: An Interview with Chip Heath” by Lenny T. Mendonca and Matt Miller.  Baldwin Cheng’s writes that, ”Stanford Graduate School of Business professor Chip Heath’s research suggests that sticky ideas share six basic traits:

1. Simplicity. Messages are most memorable if they are short and deep. Glib sound bites are short, but they don’t last. Proverbs such as the golden rule are short but also deep enough to guide the behavior of people over generations.

2.  Unexpectedness. Something that sounds like common sense won’t stick. Look for the parts of your message that are uncommon sense. Such messages generate interest and curiosity.

3. Concreteness. Abstract language and ideas don’t leave sensory impressions; concrete images do. Compare “get an American on the moon in this decade” with “seize leadership in the space race through targeted technology initiatives and enhanced team-based routines.”

4. Credibility. Will the audience buy the message? Can a case be made for the message or is it a confabulation of spin? Very often, a person trying to convey a message cites outside experts when the most credible source is the person listening to the message.  Questions—“Have you experienced this?”—are often more credible than outside experts.

5. Emotions. Case studies that involve people also move them. “We are wired,” Heath writes, “to feel things for people, not abstractions.”

6. Stories. We all tell stories every day. Why? “Research shows that mentally rehearsing a situation helps us perform better when we encounter that situation,” Heath writes. “Stories act as a kind of mental flight simulator, preparing us to respond more quickly and effectively.”

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